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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:59 am 
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Hi
I have been in email conversation with Roy Leverton since I sent him some records from a miserable trapping week up north last week. We got onto the subject of the Pine-tree Lappets in Invernesshire and, since he says in one of his emails "The more people who know the truth about PtL the better.[....] "Please help spread the word." I thought I'd copy his emails here for those interested.

"Dear Liz,
Yes, Butterfly Conservation and I are working hard to persuade the FC that PtL is an overlooked resident. FC's own staff have looked at its DNA - no exact match anywhere in Europe, but definitely part of the 'southern molecular group' comprising moths from the eastern Mediterranean and eastern France. Certainly not 'northern molecular group' - Scandinavia, Baltic, Siberia.

EDIT. I've deleted part of this post as it should really wait for the results to be officially published.

I was the first to suggest the moth was an overlooked resident in Scotland (Ent. Rec. 121: 85-88). This was written and published in great haste, as the FC had just designated the moth an introduced pest species. I've since heard it did make them reconsider. But I'm glad to say that subsequent events have borne out what I then wrote off the top of my head. Lucky! So now I'm on the Outbreak Management Team, along with Tom Prescott of Butterfly Conservation. It's an uphill struggle. We can win - and are winning - the scientific argument, but not the philosophical one. [sentence removed as it may be seen as slightly inflammatory!]

Well, I don't want to bore you. Thanks for your interest. Please help spread the word. This should be a Red Data Book species, the moth equivalent of the Capercailie. "

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:35 pm 
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Hi Liz,

Thanks posting this, it'll be very interesting to see what transpires especially on the FC front.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:13 pm 
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Dear me how did they not realise that their records were significant and especially daft not to sent the records to some sort of record keeping organisation, even though they were teaching environmental studies

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:48 am 
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Liz,

Picking up on this again after talking about PTL with Mark Young at yesterday's National Recorders Conference. Is this info I can put out in the public domain? I'm looking for stuff to put in the next edition of my newsletter. Have you had any updates?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:35 am 
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Hi Mike
I will contact Roy and ask. If I may, I'll also pass on your email address so that he can contact you about this. Would that be acceptable?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:53 am 
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No prob, Liz. Of course, the info is posted on a public forum here ;) !

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:21 am 
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Ah, but maybe not all of it or the most up-to-date information! ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:31 am 
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Aha, indeed :twisted:

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